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First came the Criminals, then came the Imbeciles

Mohammed Liaqat and Abid Saddique are criminals, that much is clear. Their actions were morally reprehensible and a sad reminder that there exist individuals in the world who allow their animal passions and devilish reasoning to rule their actions causing irreparable harm to others. All decent and clear thinking individuals would not hesitate to condemn such behaviour as both immoral and criminal. Yet something more curious has developed alongside the arrest and sentencing of those involved in the child sexual exploitation ring in Derby. Jack Straw, for example, made a statement on Newsnight (07/01/2011) in which he postulated a link between the criminality of Liaqat and Saddique and their ethnicity.

‘Pakistanis let’s be clear are not the only people who commit sexual offences and overwhelmingly the sex offenders wings of prisons are full of White sex offenders. But,’

he continued,

‘there is a specific problem which involves Pakistani heritage men – of some age as well – who target vulnerable young White girls and we need to get the Pakistani community to think much more clearly about why this is going on and to be more open about the problems that are leading to a number of Pakistani heritage men thinking that it’s okay to target white girls in this way. These young men are in a Western society – in any event – they act like any other young men; they are fizzing and popping with testosterone they want some outlet for that, but Pakistani heritage girls are off limits and they are expected to marry a Pakistani girl from Pakistan typically. So they then seek other avenues and they see these young women – white girls who are vulnerable, some of them in care – who for sure have not been subject to normal parental support, who they think are easy meat and then because they are vulnerable they ply them with gifts and give them drugs and then of course they are trapped.

Mr Straw’s reasoned start wherein he identifies that the problem of sexual criminality is not confined to the Pakistani community and, as it happens, the majority of sex offenders in prison happen to be Caucasian seems (in light of what he goes on to say) to be lip service that has to be offered in case anyone accuses him (a senior politician) of racialising and stereotyping. But that is exactly what he is doing. By saying that there is a specific problem of Pakistani heritage men targeting White girls he emphasises the racial element as significant. That were these girls not White, or were these men not Pakistani the deplorable acts involved in this specific case would have been somehow different; no less horrendous for sure, but different. He seems to suggest that the preposterously benign seeming ethic that determined Pakistani girls were off limits is a problem to be addressed by the Pakistani community! ‘These young men are in a Western society…they act like any other young men…they want some outlet for [their base appetites]…but Pakistani heritage girls are off limits… So they then seek other avenues…[like] White girls…who they think are easy meat’ (my emphasis). His words, as I have just quoted him again, are not out of context so much as vulnerable to being read in this way precisely because he has opted to introduce into an analysis of the problems the unit of race which, as the judge and police involved in the Derby case stated clearly, has no place in the discussion here.

By introducing the unit of race into his reading of what was happening in Derby, Mr Straw actually creates more problems than he solves not to mention the enormity of the offence he causes. By analogy, one could equally argue that given that the majority of paedophiles seem to be of Caucasian origin there seems to be something peculiar about White British culture that leads certain White men (and women?) to seeing children in sexual ways. With this tenuous link, perhaps White Britons should be asked to soul search so that they too can ‘think clearly’ and be ‘more open’ to tackling this problem.

Mr Straw, one shouldn’t forget, is also the man who not so very long ago raised the issue of the niqab and was (despite that) elected back into office, much to the shame of the honest and fair minded members of his constituency. That issue was also one that carried the subtext of ‘us’ and ‘them’, of ‘integration’ and ‘values’. His recent statement, I think, also shares that same subtext. When the majority of those Caucasian sex offenders to whom he alludes at the start of his statement committed their heinous acts, no community was evoked as having responsibility in any way for the actions of those individuals. In those cases it was easy to say that such monstrous acts were those of individuals. Why then in this case are the acts of Liaqat and Saddique considered not merely their own but owing something to a cultural reasoning.

The way in which integration is imagined in Britain, and which surfaces in sub-textual ways (as with Mr Straw’s statement), it is clear that minority groups are almost always kept metaphorically outside; they must perform their part; think clearly; share blame and stand trial as a collectivity.  Once positioned in this way through discourse, the same commentators then deplore so called isolationism and request minorities for greater integration – that is, a request to come ‘inside’, share ‘our values’, ‘contribute to society’. This perverse joke is the dialectical interplay that permeates all discussion of Muslims currently so that all topics involving members of the so called Muslim community boil down to issues of their culture and status as citizens in Britain.

Anyone who is insolent enough to raise the issue of race or ethnicity in this case or others like it should be shamed and shown for the imbeciles they are, for all such statements do is detract from the crime itself. It is the crime that ought to be our focus for then we would care nothing for the perpetrator’s ‘heritage’ but see them as needing nothing other than punishment.

 

 


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About Syed Haider

A PhD candidate at SOAS and English teacher.

36 comments

  1. 'Umar Abdessalaam

    Why are we burying our heads in the sand?
    Subhan’Allah, for all of the idiocy I’ve read in the comments section so far – especially from Mr. Iftikhar “londonschoolofislamics” Ahmed who’s been spouting the same rubbish on other sites – I also see some sense from some of our sisters and the Non-Muslims.

    Yes, society has fallen into the gutter but shouldn’t that galvanise us into protecting all our youth (not just our sisters). Shouldn’t we be assuming the responsibility bestowed upon us as parents/teachers/leaders rather than blaming others?

    Let’s start by getting our collective head out of the sand. I applaud our fellow brother Adil Ray for making the BBC 3 documentary on the issueat hand. Similarly I applaud the MuslimYouth campaign to help our brothers in prison realise the errors of their way (http://www.muslimyouth.net/campaigns?id=12&art=92) and re-dress the shocking imbalance/disproportion of Muslims in prison to Muslims ‘on the outside’.

    We can do this ourselves if only we acknowledge the problem in the first place.

    May Allah ta’ala provide us with succes in this endeavour.

  2. The discussion and points raised by many people here serve only to reveal the depth of bitterness and hatred felt by some people, and interestingly the angriest comments seem to be from young women of asian descent. Whether a girl is wearing a short skirt or not does not entitle groups of men to violate her whilst keeping her prisoner.
    Why oh why can’t some people see that when something is wrong it is wrong full stop. This has been a cornerstone for feminism for the past 50 years. Fortunately the courts in england are prepared to prosecute using the full power of the law whatever the colour or religion of these vermin.

  3. Iftikhar Ahmad

    Lord Ahmad of Rotherham
    A senior Muslim politician has blamed unhappy arranged marriages to cousins for leading some Pakistani men to prey on vulnerable young native girls to fulfil their sexual needs.

    Lord Ahmed of Rotherham, Britain’s first Muslim peer, is the first politician to make a link between first-cousin marriages and sex crimes by Pakistani men.

    His comments come weeks after former Foreign Secretary Jack Straw provoked national outrage by saying that some Pakistani men look at native girls as ‘easy meat’ for sexual abuse.

    Why native girls, as young as 12 are willing to get in to strange men’s cars and agree to have sex with them (and eventually their friends) for a bit of flattery and free alcohol and drugs. Are kids not warned about getting in to cars with strange men on the street any more? And if they are, why are these warnings being ignored? If some girls even at that age are willing to sell themselves for free alcohol and drugs then there is something going badly wrong in their lives and they will remain vulnerable even if one ethnic group of predators are removed.

    I do not believe that problem of sexual grooming stems from arranged marriages and the marrying of cousins be they arranged for financial or family reasons. Lord Ahmad was wrong that Pakistani parents should not be allowing arranged marriages in this country nor should they allow Muslim families to bring over women who cannot speak English language just to marry because of some old family history, arranged marriages must stop.I do not agree with Lord Ahmad.

    British girls gone wild! Give them alcohol and dope, they’re yours for the taking! There is no link between arranged amrriages or cousin marriages with sexual grooming and abuse of vulnerable under-age girls. There isn’t actually any law that states that you can’t marry your first cousin. They are happy in their marriages. If an unhappy marriage was an excuse for committing a crime there would be a lot more crimes. why are some of the un-married men abusing under-aged girls?

    My daughter was married to her first cousin, has two grown up young children
    without any defects. My eldest brother was married to his first cousin with
    seven children. Four of them are medical doctors and not a single child has
    any defects. Million of Muslims through out the world are married to their
    first cousins. Some of them have defective children. I know a family with
    three defective children. They have no relation with each other. My cousin
    married a Hindu girl in canada and they have a girl with some sorts of
    defects. Doctor has advised them not to have any more children. My nephew in
    Pakistan was married to his first cousin. They have three highly educated
    children.

    The ground reality is that British society does not want Muslim parents to
    get marry their children back home so that their grand children could learn their mother tongues. Human being is a product of his culture, language and faith. There is a positive co-relation between language and culture. The day Pakistani children become monolingual Brits than they are going to adopt all the evils of Evils of English society. Sexual groomign is one of the evil of English society. Those Pakistani youths who have been involved in sexual grooming are the product of western schooling with monolingual non-Muslim teachers.

    Muslim children should be educated in state funded Muslim schools because the current system is marginalising them. Teaching Muslim children in a Muslim school would remove the “problem of them being exposed” to values that conflict with Islamic faith. Muslim pupils are disadvantaged and marginalised in the city’s state schools because the cultural heritage of the curriculum is “European and Christian”.

    Muslim schools provide an education in accordance with the Muslim beliefs and values, such as providing single-sex schooling after puberty. They are thus a response to the danger of absorption into the dominant culture.

    There are hundreds of state and church schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models.
    IA
    http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

  4. adressing ken
    hi ken

    i think u are missing the plot here. we see that there has been n incredicle increase in the sexual crime in the west. this has not just sprung upon us due to the immigration of pakistanis to the country. this is a reflection of the principals of the free society that we live in. these pakistanis were fully integrated and practicing british. they were doing exactly what made them happy -a message we are all too familiar with. Drugs, alcohol and sex is soemthing that drives the pleasure of people in this secular society. there is no accontability to anyone or anything, the govt is a joke when it comes to dealing with crimes, whether its peadophilea, prostitution, murder, rape, pornography(i know its not a crime here but leads to many crimes) etc. they have a tendency to jump up and make silly laws that have no impact on the reduction of crime(empty the streets of knife campaign for instance, like if a person has the intention to kill he wont use someother sharp object) or they jump up and make ridiculous claims like jack straw did to ignore the core issues of why do secular capitilistic societies suffer from high crime rate in the first place, why arent the ppl in the country safe even within their own houses?( i got robbed of all my jewelry a year ago), what drives ppl to comit such heinus crimes? surely there must be something wrong with the type of system we run. a system which calls for a bunch of elites sitting in a hall and discussing and debating ur and my future nad security from their limited prism of knowledge and experience. so ken i suggest u tke a long and hard look at the secular capitalistic democracy and come to the conclusion urself- Is man made law really better than the Creator’s law(shariah law, not church law which is known to have a bleak history and was again man made law) who has created each one of us and would know how best to manage the relationships between individuals.

    as for ur point abt muslims being more likely to blow up trains and tubes, i would say that i actually see men in NATO and british uniforms blowing up hundreds of thousands of innocents all round the world!!!

  5. these pakistani men were fully integrated into the society
    hi everyone

    i dont understand why the racial profiling of these criminals is required. from what i can see these pakistani men did exactly what many men in this society do already. sleep around and spike girls drinks to rape them-isnt it called date rape drug? this is such a widespread practice in the UK and other western countries that there is nothing that gets done about it. these men were fully integrated into the british culture of drugs, sex and alcohol!

  6. ken & samina
    Hi Ken,
    Notice youve said nothing – why?
    Dear Samina,
    As i explained to ken, shariah law is not about muslims rubbing their hands with glee about imposing everything they can think of on the non-muslims and turning then into dhimini but rather establishing a law that has maslahah (which means ‘benefit’) to mankind. The execution of rapist being a very good example of that. People rarely really truly recover from rape and is very damaging to society. It is a maslahah/benefit to stamp it out altogether – and the best way is the death sentence as, from what you must have observed over your life time 7 years in jail and out in 3 years due to good behaviour doesnt exactly cut it. Also bear in mind the uselessness of the CPS in not losing/damaging the evidence thus destroying the case and also the statistics for coversion of rape crime to conviction rate. Most criminals thinks theyll get away with it, hence why a serious punishment (death) is the only way to really make most people reconsider. Drug dealers are rife in the West despite jail sentences, but you would have to be dumb to try that in China, Burma, Malaysia or Thailand. Theyll string you up. Similarly look at the rate of rape in America (400,000 a year or over a 1,000 a day) and the rate in Saudi. Evidently executing the occasional rapist protects the wellbeing of many many men and women. As i said to Ken, the muslim in question who is accused of rape (he hasnt been convicted yet except by the zionist jewish muslim-hating media) is lucky we dont have sharia. If he is convicted he would be executed.
    yours sincerely,
    ali

  7. i am really surprised at all these comments that seem to almost condone such behaviour, i really do think that if the shoe was on the other foot and pakistani girls were targetted in this way our ‘brothers’ would be up in arms, but its ok aslong as they get to sleep around with white meat newsflash its ZINA AND A BIG SIN wether its with a white girl or any other girl. I know 3 asian men aged in their 20’s who gang raped a 12 yr old PAKISTANI MUSLIM girl who ran away from home after an argument with her mother. If we condone it happening to white girls just because they dont cover believe me it will start happening to all girls sooner or later.

  8. Its true though….
    I’m sorry but this is a problem in my back yard, everyone knows that there are some pakistani guys who look for white girls and they wont marry them they’ll just sleep with them and then go back home to marry a ‘virgin’. It’s a good job evil nasty people like these pakistani men are locked up for good. They wouldnt like it if thier own mothers and sisters and daughters were preyed on like that, why treat others that way. Well done jack straw for saying it like how it is!!.

  9. THe Ghetto Saint

    Hijirah to Kaffir lands are Haram if intensions are not fisabililah!!!!!!!
    The same problem exist here in the U.S IMMIGRANT MEN COMMITING ADULTRY AND FORNICATION (ZINA!!!!) WITH STUPID AND UNEDUCATED WHITE GIRLS!!!

    I am from Oakland Ca. and our OPPRESSED PALESTINIAN BROS. come here and open up liqour stores, wear saging pants, sell dope, BECOME RAPPERS and just about everything else that comes with a dunya life.

    They did not come to spread ISLAM like the earlier SHAHABA but for KAFFIR DUNYA many of the immigrant women are in tight jeans I have even know some to “marry” christians for a GREEN CARD!

    THEY HAVE EVEN KILLED AND MURDERED THEMSELVES!!!!A while back some YEMENI bros. got in to a heated conflict and instead of solving the fitna with AL QUR’AN and SUNNAH they settled it with guns and A MUSLIM SHED THE BLOOD OF ANOTHER MUSLIM (authu bila……!!!!!)

    Immigrants should go back home and help their struggling families and re-purify themselves in hope of AL JINNAH because it is looking very bleak for many of them and ALLAHU ALIM!

  10. addressing ken
    Hi Ken,
    Now i see that you did not acknowledge what i said in response to your claim of bombs going off in London planted by people called Muhummed. Are you going to acknowledge this fact in humility or continue to peddle the idea of tens of muslims terrorists arrested in the last 10 years and splashed all over pages 1-10 with ‘Sun says’ comment on page 12 about ‘kick them out etc’ … and absolutely no mention of the fact that they were held for a long time with no charges leveled against them as there was nothing (i repeat, ken, nothing), and were then charged with immigration offences NOT terrorism which i had to find out elsewhere not in papers (who, if they do print a retraction, print it on page 30 in very very small letter missed by almost everyone who reads it). Will you acknowledge this. The plot of attacking Heathrow, the ricin plot and the blowing up Man U stadium being three examples. First lets acknowledge that these were lies peddled by the very authoritarian government hell bent on turning this country into a dictatorial state and sweeping away all the checks and balances that were hard won victories of civil rights campaigners and the left and we can then move on to Eygpt. If this is news to you, why not look into the background of the ‘plots’ and the trials etc of these men – with an open heart and humility.
    As for muslims committing crimes, this is why we have shariah. Unfortunately we are unable as yet to implement it, which is very very lucky to the muslim man in question as from the sound of it he was raping the girls or setting them up to be raped – rape in Islam carries the death sentence. The reason being that the only thing more damaging to a society other than the sexual crimes (rape, homosexuality, bestiality, transvestitism, adultery, etc) is murder. The sexual crimes are called al-faisha (i think – im english not arab so my spelling might be off) can reduce a society to bestial behaviour and all other social ill follow hot on its trail. See Britain and the British society pre-1960s and now – rude behaviour, swearing, regular violence, rise in murder and mugging, drunkeness and lewd behaviour etc. The British society prior to legalising of strip clubs, porn and homosexuals was a decent place – smartly dressed and polite. Islam stamps down on this in the heaviest way as it does with murder. If you ever wish to destroy a people promote the above as much as you can – and i believe the Jews are doing exactly that (they are the well-known promoter of smut in every country they ever moved into). This is jewish-muslim war with you in the middle doing their fighting for them as they own your leaders (blair, brown, etc) – they have stuff over them. Check the history of blair and brown in regards to the covering up of paedophile gangs in scotland (grampian area).
    yours sincerely,
    ali

  11. Glory be to God.

    Appalled
    Please remove the comment by Islamic Revolutionary. Please prevent people from swinging in the other direction Syed. Say something.

  12. Jack Straw’s little secret
    Jack Straw can’t talk, his brother William Straw was convicted of indecent assault on a young girl and put on the sex offenders register!!

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/916179.stm

  13. sex with under age girls.
    I am sure Mr. Straw must have read the Times suppliment in 1998. Celebrating 50 years of independance from England. It was disclosed that senior army officers and even certain members of the Royal family used to round up young muslim girls to be deflowered, they even kept black boards with daily scores.The times reporter was commenting on Indians with blue eyes. These criminals and thier progeny hold high office in this country today. country[u][s][img][quote][/quote][/img][/s][/u]:)

  14. just another bro

    Great picture of Jack Straw in his usual imbecilic posture
    Great picture of Jack Straw in his usual imbecilic posture

  15. To Ali – from Ken – Get real man.
    Hi Ali, No I’m not Jewish fella – And I don’t for a second think that the Jews are 100% pure but some of you Muslims have to start accepting it when the facts prove that it was extremists Muslims who commit a particular atrocity.
    Some of these guys left behing suicide videos my friend (or was that Moshe dressed up in a tea towel?)
    Others in Egypt, Nigeria and Iraq boasted of what they were going to do to Christians. In Egypt the Egyptian police put a barricade around a church to stop the Muslim Brotherhood from carrying out a second promised attack.
    I am not blaming Islam for everything but you living in denial is not helping anyone unless it is helping you to live in a cosy pretend world where everything that goes wrong must all be part of a Jewish plot.

    The people I respect on this website are those who don’t try to gloss over things but are honest and in humility accept that we, me included, need to take our share of the blame and try to put our houses in order – not pointing the finger at others.

  16. The root of the problem
    I think we all agree on one thing. the women in the western societies get exploited the most. It is reported that women in the West get rapaed one every 2 seconds. The porn industry, fashion industry, lap dancing, prostitution, sleeping with strangers, strip clubs etc all are a major part of the British (or the Western) way of life. When a society cheapens a woman through such ways and makes women readily available to the disposal of men, it becomes fairly easy for them to be exploited and hence the phrase’easy meat’. these men who were captured in the crime were just practicing the very values which are endorsed by the society- promiscuity and sexual perversions. I think the question should not be “Should the ethnicity and religion of the criminals matter?” rather it should be “What values of the society create such type of criminals on a mass scale?”…

  17. Wall of silence
    I didn’t read the whole article, but what I will say is that over the years I have heard of many instances where young Pakistani men had been convicted of sexually assaulting young white girls. I have seen at least 2 reports in the last year or so, with a list of more than 5 men each time. Ok, I’m not saying that they are the main perpetrators of this crime, but we as a community don’t like to talk about these things or even address them. The Pakistani community makes up the bulk of Muslims in the UK, maybe a third or even half of the Muslim population in the UK are of Pakistani origin. The vast majority of mosques in the UK are run by Pakistani origin communities. And yet these shameful crimes are being carried out by people who are married, have families of their own. And, ok, like I said before, they might not be carrying out the majority of these crimes, but the fact that Muslims are being pointed out and are involved in such acts is abhorrent and should be put a stop to! I don’t know the answer, because I live around a very mixed community of Muslims, but we need to address our problems face on and not sweep them under the carpet!

  18. addressing ken
    Hi Ken,
    In regards to the name of the one who is likely to kill and maime those on London buses: if 911, the bali bomb, the madrid bomb or 7/7 are anything to go by then the perpertrators of the crime are likely to have a jewish or christian name as it is well known now that either one or all of mossad/CIA/MI5&MI6 were responsible for the before-mentioned attacks. Theyll be called Joseph or Levi or even Jack and even Ken. This is true of the wars throughout Latin America, the Middle East, Europe, Africa and the Far East. America, Britain, France, Russia, China & Israel are the major weapon providers in the world, and it is a fact that the only way to get your client to make another purchase is to get him to use what you sold him. That means that the selling of weapons and the starting of wars are every much interlinked – read ‘false-flag bomb’.
    I know you know this ken, so stop lying about muslims. Muslims did not fund the Sanadidas in latin america or create the school of americas in 1957. Nor did they place dictators all over the world (Pinnochet, Allende, Noriega, etc). Saddam Hussain and Amin were cia puppets – again, that well known ken. They did not slaughter 10 million koreans, or start the wars in the Congo and Angola. Everybody knows who did- ie the Americans. Everybody NOW knows who was really behind it – the Jews. Are you a jew, ken?

  19. white girls
    I was married once, and we went to the co-op and I sat in the car while my hub then picked up an item. I could see everything as It was infront of the door which was open. Two mini skirted white girl 13 to 16yrs my guess, well I would say 13/14 where proper going gooyieyed oh my hes goeorgous, so goodlooking and fit on and on and they where bending over and trying hard to get him to notice them. Both as bad as the other. I was shocked as I didn’t think my ex was all that. I thought are they crazy! Yet I didn’t think they where slappers as its in their culture to be free and open about sex and put it where ever they want it to go. We as the pakistani culture havn’t come on line to call these women hoes who go with our men when we could of. Now they are complaining because these men won’t marry them and they realise most of them just use them. Yet our culture as never hidden the way they are. All of a sudden its a big issue…well good then white girls will hopefully keep away from muslim men. Maybe muslim men can make an effort on their marriages. These parents of these lads should not have got their sons married to muslims girls who they know their sons have been around too much and won’t settle down. The std these lads can bring home to their wives. Shameful our culture is allowing all this.

  20. Pakistani girls off limits.
    Pakistani girl are not off limits because the society have let the men run wild and free and chained in the women, lots of the younger girls and older ones are having descreet affairs which lots are getting caught as they are not that clever about it. Because its undercover its not discussed openly.
    White girls well PARENTS are the main culprits here. Firstly if you have a daughter or son you raise them properly, secondly you teach them to be careful, safe etc….even if that means you warn them of std’s, getting pregnant or getting someone else pregnant. You also teach them not to go into meaningless relationships without love respect etc. Our society does not do that, but nor does the white culture, infarct they don’t object to their girls going out and having sex…its only going with muslims is the issue which is being raised here. Two men got caught and the whole culture is being blackened for it. To me its seems these men could of been caught much sooner than this if the girls really wanted to.These girls are from chav backgrounds/estates wonder the parks picking up guys or waiting to be picked up. Been to the park seen it myself. They happily go along with these strange guys….how mad is that! So I would yes say these girls have not been educated parents, the legal system, social services have let these girls down. Another question is why do these girls prefer asian/blacks to whites? Whats wrong with the white men that they prefer to go with asians. We should focuss back on them….and know what to say….
    Anything with muslims especially pakistanis sells these days and will do for some time. I do feel they are enciting white men to go and rape pakistani women…thats what I feel personaly they are inciting.

  21. Life will become more difficult.
    Yes english girls are crazy to assume that if they go for a paki/ethnic man he will put them first, but lets face facts those men where married men and our pakistani culture has numerous flaws, they have for years turned a blind eye to what men can do and as long as their dear sons takes care of his own parents and sibling hes a good lad no matter what sins he does outside the house. Parents have raised their children discracly being double standard with religion.These lads have and other lads do bring shame upon their faith, their culture, their parents and themselves. Yet maybe they needed this kick up the bum to wake them up and make them take a look at themselves.Of course they are too faced anyone look at their sisters…then but other peoples daughters are easy targets. Even muslim girls are targeted too.
    Its shameful they are targeting girls in care who know no better. It is taking advantage and its not what being muslim is about.
    Of course it hurts when you get kurir who seems to be anti-muslim in this day and age looking for any pot shots at muslims more so pakistani muslims. Its also very offensive that they should not have raised the issue that pakistani girls are off limits, this just shows that they prefer likewise and this is the real issue. This story does seem to scream more out about a race issue. The bnp have been complaining for years about their white women going with pakistanis and other ethnics and have tried to do something about it. Now they have seating in parliments and are getting seats in other areas we are in for quite a change and its coming down hard mostly on not only muslims but pakistani muslims.
    Yet how can you defend them when they are commiting so many sins.Why go for white women why not just settle down get married, yet these where married men. Why are our pakistani men allowed to commit such sins with the communitys support….pakistanis have brought this on themselves….makes me sick they are doing drugs, drinking etc…nothing but fowl habbits off the west and what does the west do! Even when they are wrong they are defensive and can’t focuss on fixing their problems…

  22. Today’s Society
    Some pakistani men do go for white girls because they are easy and there is this culture of no commitment, which makes it easier than going for most pakistani girls who want marriage and committment and some white guys do prefer the easy no committment type, dressed provocatively so it can’t be a certain race, more like some men in general. As for finding their dress sense offensive some white guys say the same.
    I know some white girls who target pakistani men, some just prefer them, some want that committment they are searching for. Furthermore in todays society asian boys and girls are dating, some pakistani boys prefer pakistani girls and some prefer white girls, black girls, chinese girls etc.Its nothing to do with the race of the girls, they are just girls who they find attractive. 
    The two criminals who committed such acts might be pakistani but their acts have nothing to do with race or religion.
    This isn’t about religion, so muslim men this and that don’t make sense to me, its more about todays society, which affects all people living in Britian regardless of race.

  23. hate crime
    Your article is spot on Syed.
    Jack Straw seems to have a campaign to demonise and stereotype muslims. If he was honestly tackling a problem he would have done it in a different way.

    Why is it a suprise that white women are easier to get into bed than a pakistani women and not to mention we are in the UK which happens to be a mainly white population.

    I believe they are concerned about the number of white female converts to Islam because some of them see the real Islam through a Pakistani brother.

    It’s pure hate crime.

  24. Off-limits?
    Interesting that both Mohammed Liaqat and Abid Saddique were married with children…

  25. “By analogy, one could equally argue that given that the majority of paedophiles seem to be of Caucasian origin there seems to be something peculiar about White British culture that leads certain White men (and women?) to seeing children in sexual ways. With this tenuous link, perhaps White Britons should be asked to soul search so that they too can ‘think clearly’ and be ‘more open’ to tackling this problem.”

    Very well said MashaAllaah…

    This article is well-worth reading and pondering over.

  26. No mention of the child paedo though
    Interesting to note, at the same time in the news, a nursery worker had been arrested for sexually abusing children aged 2-3 at a nursery. Sick, but Jack Straw does not say that there is a large number of paedo’s still around, or that the church is full of paedo priests. Why the hypocrisy ?

  27. Riaz Khan Hazarvi

    why?
    Why the Labour Party do not hold their Rope tightly and let them bark on a wrong time .

  28. Riaz Khan Hazarvi

    Distruction
    Having Labour Party learn a vital lesson from a callous Tony Blair’s attitude. If the party do not tightly hold their lead then this kind of barking will see the Party in the Opposition benches for another century.

  29. Each crime has it’s own specific circumstances. In this particular case we can say that there is an element of truth in the analysis that the Asian population, in general, have extended families and within this extended family network there still remains a semblance of respect towards the elders and some kind of shame within the community should anyone step out of the moral norm EVEN in the lower classes and the uneducated lot which these criminals obviously come from. Therefore their despicable acts might have come as a surprise and would even perhaps have been received with denial by some of their family and community members. It would also be true to say that most of the girls, EVEN from the lower classes and the uneducated lot would be more likely to be under more control than their male siblings. It is also a fact that both female and male Pakistani children are often expected to marry from Pakistan so that they can bring yet another extended member of their poorer families back ‘home’ to Britain… or else. Once in the U.K. they are often (girls) not encouraged to speak English and are held in slavery, beaten by their in-laws and sexually abused. Quite often schools turn a blind eye when a young Asian girl ‘disappears’ before school leaving age. This is because she’s been ‘married off’. And it happens to boys too.

    If these criminals had been the products of other third world immigrants the same circumstances would probably apply.

    Isn’t it time we started to look at each set of circumstances as a whole and look at the problem of the whole of society and not just come down in favour of one side just because they happen to have Muslim names? They are criminals and they happen to be of Pakistani origin. They are as detestable and punishable as any other paedophiles.

    Now. Looking at the girls who, in this case, happen to be White. Our ‘free’ society results in ignorant and irresponsible single mothers of very young single mothers themselves, drink and drug-ridden, often very young males who have no sense of responsibility – White and non-White. Religion and morals have vanished. A lot of youth without roots in a decent family and often from care homes form gangs in order to give them a sense of the ‘membership of an extended family’ that they need and miss. Youth from equally ignorant Asian communities arm themselves and form gangsthemselves for reasons of their own.

    When Jack Straw refused to talk to a niqab-clad woman because he couldn’t see her, a lot of Muslim and non-Muslim people pointed out to him how ridiculous this was. In the paedophile case though, I am wondering if there is some truth in what he’s saying. Maybe we should be aware of the truth that there are great differences between the indiginous British and Immigrant populations but – due to the ills of British society being contaminated by the media, internet games, easy access to pornography and the said lack of religion and morals, ignorant parents or no parents – there are similarities in criminality. Also it is a fact that White girls are more likely to roam the streets, especially at night.

  30. Happycrescent
    Each crime has it’s own specific circumstances. In this particular case we can say that there is an element of truth in the analysis that the Asian population, in general, have extended families and within this extended family network there still remains a semblance of respect towards the elders and some kind of shame within the community should anyone step out of the moral norm EVEN in the lower classes and the uneducated lot which these criminals obviously come from. Therefore their despicable acts might have come as a surprise and would even perhaps have been received with denial by some of their family and community members. It would also be true to say that most of the girls, EVEN from the lower classes and the uneducated lot would be more likely to be under more control than their male siblings. It is also a fact that both female and male Pakistani children are often expected to marry from Pakistan so that they can bring yet another extended member of their poorer families from back ‘home’ to Britain… or else. Once in the U.K. they are often (girls) not encouraged to speak English and are held in slavery, beaten by their in-laws and sexually abused. Quite often schools turn a blind eye when a young Asian girl ‘disappears’ before school leaving age. This is because she’s been ‘married off’. And it happens to boys too.

    If these criminals had been the products of other third world immigrants the same circumstances would probably apply.

    Isn’t it time we started to look at each set of circumstances as a whole and look at the problem of the whole of society and not just come down in favour of one side just because they happen to have Muslim names? They are criminals and they happen to be of Pakistani origin. They are as detestable and punishable as any other paedophiles.

    Now. Looking at the girls who, in this case, happen to be White. Our ‘free’ society results in ignorant and irresponsible single mothers of very young single mothers themselves, drink and drug-ridden, often very young males who have no sense of responsibility – White and non-White. Religion and morals have vanished. A lot of youth without roots in a decent family and often from care homes form gangs in order to give them a sense of the ‘membership of an extended family’ that they need and miss. Youth from equally ignorant Asian communities arm themselves and form gangsthemselves for reasons of their own.

    When Jack Straw refused to talk to a niqab-clad woman because he couldn’t see her, a lot of Muslim and non-Muslim people pointed out to him how ridiculous this was. In the paedophile case though, I am wondering if there is some truth in what he’s saying. Maybe we should be aware of the truth that there are great differences between the indiginous British and Immigrant populations but – due to the ills of British society being contaminated by the media, internet games, easy access to pornography and the said lack of religion and morals, ignorant parents or no parents – there are similarities in criminality. Also it is a fact that White girls are more likely to roam the streets, especially at night.

  31. Mr
    Salam,

    I’m not a fan of the labour party or Jack Straw but I have to admit that he has raised some genuine points regardless of what his intention may be. I’m basing this own my own personal experience having talked to Muslim Pakistani brothers who have been going out with White girls and the response from the majority of brothers is “bro, I don’t Pakistani girls cause she’s like my sister” also from my own work experience as someone that has worked with victims of rape and sexual abuse on occasions when the offender is Asian they have picked on White girls whereas where the offenders are White then In percentage terms their victims by majority are also White. My wife told me recently that her friend from Pakistan had got married into the UK and her husband and mother in law kept her locked up as a slave in Blackburn whilst he was out living it large with White girls having affairs and sexual relationships which i found shocking but apparently that’s no new thing and when you raise to members of the community they are fully aware of these issues but from my experience I haven’t come across this in many other communities..
    I

  32. Is it true?
    I guess the litmus test of whether Jack Straw should have said what he did is the question ‘Is there any truth in it?’
    If so, then he is right to say it so that ‘white girls’ are made more aware of the dangers.
    Of course all girls should be careful of all men and not take risks.

    The day before reading Jack Straw’s comments I received an email linked with a Family Security Group in Denmark which stated that ‘ Muslims are only 4% of the of Denmark’s 5.4 million people but make up a majority of the country’s convicted rapists.’

    Again I would ask is there any truth in it?

    We know that many Somali Muslims have come from a country where law and order have broken down and as a result they carry some of that baggage with them – and sadly that is a fact.

    We also know that some Muslims (even more than western white males) do find the way some western females dress as provocative and offensive and therefore ‘cheap’ and ‘easy.’
    We know that there is a code by which Muslims treat their own woman honourably (and that is good).

    If these things are not true then, of course, it is wrong to put a slur on any specific group.

    The Muslim community must, however, accept the truth even when it hurts – for example, all of us non-Muslim and Muslim alike are more likely to be killed on the London tube, buses or in the air etc, by someone named Mohammed than by someone called John.
    So us westerners are less at ease is someone sits next to us wearing Muslim garb – that also is a fact.

    But the danger is that rather than putting our own house in order we go on the defensive and lash out at the ones who point the problem out.

    Perhaps it’s a time for all of us to do some honest soul searching?

  33. Well said in the article, but in addition to that we can equally say there is a specific problem which involves Caucasian men – of some age as well – who are blood thirsty warmonger among the British community like for example Tony Blair and Jack Straw.
    Just look at the language of this guy who seems to be a senior figure of British politics. Shame on him.

  34. Vote for me:
    Jack Straw speaks with experience and knowledge. He has had the support of the Pakistani’s, the likes of Lord Patel walk hand in hand with him. He must be speaking speaking the truth. Jack knows whatever he says about a muslim women wearing a veil or a pakistani man’s mentality towards white women, he will get the support of the pakistani and Muslims who owe him. Until and unless we stand up for ourselves the likes of Jack Straw will always play dirty politics.

  35. looking for reasons
    Jack Straw Has always been against Islam and will use any means available to discredit muslims. If these disgusting men had been any other heritage he would not have mentioned them. So transparent!

  36. Needs some votes for the next election, Jack?
    Labour lost the elections, and now stoop to pretty despicable levels to get the white working class vote – especially with the financial downturn, more unemployment, and more resentment against ‘Pakis’. Five years to go, its never too early to start, eh? Like alchemists trying to turn things into gold, MPs turn racism into votes…

    Jack Straw, bigot.

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